This is not to argue against paid staff but it should certainly argue for much more humility than what is often demonstrated. But some people now say that if only we would forget church buildings and just meet in individual homes then that (and apparently only that) would be biblical. @ Sopwith: I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. The academy is funded by the Church to produce pastors, theologians, missionaries, etc. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? I am saddened that you have heard nothing new from the pulpit in years. My reference to man was meant as human.. Birds of a feather. Please keep up the good study. In Hebrew, the verb to shepherd literally means to feed. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. Well, theyre not laughing now, are they? https://thouarttheman.org/2014/03/11/docent-group-should-dump-driscoll-and-hire-mahaney/, I have shown that Mack Stiles, C.J. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Because healthy community is missional. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. This is not to say that valuable info cant be gained from the study of created things. InDavid Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? They plan on filling his role with members speaking and an occasional pastor from another related church. As you said, there are clearly gifted men and women in the UK equal to the Anyabwiles and the others. He actually knew my name and used it." @ Preacherskid: * It was taped and shown later. The wonder of it all is that God still honors His Bread. He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. To our readers When people function, in love, in their gifts and responsibilities there is no need for a vested authority. From 2014 to 2017, Platt was president of the International Mission Board. Prayer Requests Mike Wittmer : LZ Granderson, a member of Rob Bells church and a regular contributor to CNN and ESPN, wrote a column today for CNN.com which illustrates the problem that I try to correct in the first two chapters of He thought it might help me to understand what good seminaries teach about being a pastor. Today isnt news to Him. Im sure they could help Mr Platt find a fulfilment of his dream. Thanks for the man/human explanation. *looks skyward, whistles*. http://anglicanmainstream.org/leaving-the-denomination/. Got a bit lively, but no legal or 501c3 problems. While Platt will not be able to repeatedly use a handful of go to sermons at his church he will be able to utilize his notes from years of preaching at The Church at Brook Hills., While Platt may not technically be drawing a salary from McLean Bible Church my guess is that in a church of that size there are some wealthy members who are providing some sort of financial renumeration to Platt. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. I have long been an advocate of this. Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. I recall attending a church where the congregation would share some testimony, praise, blessing, etc. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Yes, Hug. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? For me, its a point of emphasis. Preaching is fun. After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? Sovereign Grace Ministries MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. Id settle for an acceptable church. the realities of who bears the burden of the costs isnt part of this training. I dont like Platt. Jimmy has a unique voice, to say the least, which has some fans even asking if he has a speech impediment or is hard of hearing. @ refugee: I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. Thats what our church family is for. I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. My guess is theres some bigger strategy going on. While some people think that Jimmy sounds like he could be deaf for some reason, many others think he has the hottest voice ever. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. Before we get into this post, let's take a look back at the views that Ed Stetzerhad about his former pastoral role in churches. We shouldnt let out own viewpoint be the only criteria. Who will pay the cost as a revelation of the worth of Gods love? Exactly! We are in great peril if our skills and talents exceed our spiritual character. Why if Aunt Tilly is sick we think the head shamans prayers are needed more than our next door neighbor sister or brother in Christs prayers? Stetzer: Im very upfront with my role to my church. The academy serving the Church is not explicit in scripture. As I wrote last night, the trend over the last 20 years (and especially the last 10 years) has been consolidation of power around Mohler and Mohler loyalists with the only doctrinal essentials being Authoritarianism (meaning loyalty to whatever they say) and Complementarianism. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. The mission of God, if I may use that term, is the salvation of the world, not just the salvation of me and mine. unable to endure sound doctrine of bitter, the roughage of whole bran, the artisan heavy-bread with its uneven texture and low-glycemic index but a lasting satiety which sustains the hungry soul! I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. And, I suppose, the crowds can just forget it; how many people have houses that big? Somewhere along the line, not some religious line but I forget just where it was taught, that Man is made of many needs. In oterh words, find a real church., Lydia wrote: I think a marriage of convenience took place, and human nature made sure that it stayed that way when things became very inconvenient a few short years later. But the body is more than church life, and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. Whats going on? It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. When I have disasters, and I have had a few, the last thing I need is one more person trying to get involved. Lol. While many take much pride in their pastor title I would be embarrassed at the current level of absurdity. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. A lot of replies sound speculative . Sometimes, the flock is so tired and exhausted that it goes for a happy meal or a snippet. If a pastor cannot take the time to officiate at a members wedding or to provide pre-marriage or marriage counseling, then that pastor has no business getting up and preaching a sermon on Sunday morning about the sanctity of marriage. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. Seems like a focal point. Couldnt one set up some form of webcast in order to preach_the_gospel in Nepal or anywhere else? @ Hope: I believe this is the way missions should be viewed and accomplished. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. I am preparing myself to disciple others. That is it. . There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. @ Gram3: As I think its all going NGO working with the UN and Feds for some of the billions out there. And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. God is interested in and respects what we think, our initiative, our ideas, our plans, our decisions Not a people person, very opinionated despite his humble exterior. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor WebDavid Platt Is Ready to Leave the IMB. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. He did not create the mess but he had to be the face of it. In the UK there has been a complete silence from UK church leaders about Mahaney. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. No longer are the artisan bakers needed too costly; standardize the formula and hire those who will not think but just follow the dictates of the formula how to do it. Its soft and glides down the throat kids love it with the crust cut-off. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. 12, Eph. This is odd to me. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. A current trend where I live.sounds stupid to me. The lure of preaching reminds me a great deal of Solomons adulterous woman in Proverbs 7, luring a simple youth to his destruction. However, other fans, find Jimmys voice to be his hallmark trait. Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. ishy wrote: Which is why (for me anyway) labels behave more like a fluid than a solid. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for govern, And the churches want to remain tax exempt, but they certainly do want to benefit from the taxes others pay in: We always sit in the back and still do. I met a lady online and we agreed to meet at McLean Bible Church, where she attended, for their morning service and then have lunch afterward. I expect your educated guess is as good as mine, but ISTM you spend 20-25 hours preparing a sermon if youve not much else to do. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me Everyone that knows anything must have taken a vow of silence. The Nepalese believers dont seek expenses-paid work jollies or international trips, or book deals. If not we are just setting up idols. What I see happening is horrifying. Then they purchased the Wildlife Federation building and mega-sized the already mega church. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. But what exactly do these terms mean? We could show them how to have a relationship with God by being preoccupied with that, ourselves separated unto Him. https://www.mcleanbible.org/blog/letter-lon-solomon. Very few people are in jobs that are truly safe. . Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. I found your comment fascinating. Membership Covenants Thanks for chiming in! http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs. Im big on capitol punishment, as in punishing the politicians who work at the capitol. All the Community out reach programs were killed by him. I have been hearing from a few folks. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. And he doesnt mispronounce! The non Cal-Staff members eventually left and were replaced with SBTS people. God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. John 3:16 God so loved the world.God loves us all and wants us to spend eternity with him. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. The other day on a Facebook page that I like, the post was a political one. To me, its not mainly about feeding. 13. We should be supporting not admonishing! He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. Beware! Does not. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. Ive never seen this in scripture. Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Yes, sometimes. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. The legal profession just balks. That idol of Authoritarianism is the reason, IMO, that the competing factions of Calvinists and Traditionalists have been willing to make at least the appearance of peace in the SBC. It is an honor to have your presence and your concerned comments here at The Wartburg Watch. How interesting would it be if someone at the UK conference asked Thabiti or one of the 9Marks reps why Mahaney was exempted from church discipline when others are subject to it? Wonder what draws the short stick? He basically made it sound like unless you were Elder material you shouldnt be a missionary. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. I would also spend the other 20-25 hours getting to know the people and doing visitation-type activities. Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. But seeing it in the best light, the person to whom you spoke was just ignorant and ill-informed, not malicious. David is no Paul. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. Just suggesting we might try doing things His way if we want them to turn out well. He will show up on Sunday morning and preach about 30 or so weeks in the year. Another reason the SBC is a joke. Theyre a kind of corporate lone ranger Christian (as the saying goes), having abandoned assembling together with anyone else locally, albeit trying to find some kind of belonging somewhere. Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. by BEING in right relationship with Him. Running so fast, so frantically cramming his life full to overflowing, it doesnt seem as if there would be any time left over to listen to a still small voice, among the least of these. He is just a big idea guy. To others, it takes years, years during which lose sleep worrying about not doing enough social work and not being worthy of salvation. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. According to SBC This Week, he has all sorts of arrangements so he can *serve* his family. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. Bet it was said with a disarming smile. @ ZechZav: Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? I greatly admire the health in Christ you so earnestly convey and demonstrate. Just dont ask questions and pay your dues. I had often wondered whether they just liked to hear themselves speak? Mohler and Company: The tweets from these guys add an extra dimension to the posts at TWW. and he doesnt commit to funerals and all flowers had to comply with their flower policy. Mr. or Dr., dont remember which, Solomon preached (I wouldnt quite call it teached) and all I remember from the sermon was money, money money. I think its all bogus. Warren observes that this never impresses him, and that it raises the question of whether they love the people theyre preaching to as much as they love the rush of public speaking. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. and to piggy back.. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions.. not b/c God loves u.. not b/c God wants to spend eternity w/ u.. etc. People do what they think will achieve the goal that they have. Based on that I was planning to make MBC my home church. One could have successful ministry (cast out demons, heal, & build numerical flocks), yet be told to depart for He never knew you (Matt. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. The impact on the muslim world is accomplished very slowly through sincere friendships made through contacts by normal working people. pastors should see this and understand it. For what its worth, my spouse and I are part of a home fellowship. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. This is a predicate. I hope this clarifies why the preaching of the Word is central. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. More amazing is members will do so. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. No vote, no discussion, just heres who it is, like it or not. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. When I had (open) abdominal surgery 10 years ago (perforated diverticulitis), it took me a whole month before I could get back to work and seriously restricted diet. The main trend Ive seen over the past 20 years or so is that the Calvinist/Non-Calvinist divide at the top of the SBC does not seem to be an issue. Dr. said it was about to go, but he got it out without the mess. (2 Corinthians 11:3), Bet your proverbial @zz, MBC is being played, Spy You are one of the lucky ones if you can see through him. This gets dicey when one looks at Jesus own descriptions of the judgment, with Himself as the judge, and He spells out what people whom He knows look like in their behavior. Does not. Very true and this phenomenon applies to the congregation as well. The amount of cash these guys make for their seminaries & their megachurches And he has a whiff of self-righteousness about him. Webdoes david platt speech impediment. This week, it was announced thatDavid Plattwill soon be voted on to be the new teaching pastor atMcLean Bible Church. Faith is a response to Gods Self-revelation. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. He could have one or not, but telling everyone when you first meet that he does NOT tells you something and its not a positive thing. I am sure David Platt is a nice guy. A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. For the life of me Ive never understood, either, why we think we need someone to hold our hands when someone dies besides the Body of Christ. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. Were connected. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. Speaker?) In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. Voice disorder. I hear you. We have a property tax exemption for people over a certain age for that reason, and it isnt allowed to be increased more than 5% a year. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. Seminary professor. How different the whole church culture would be if the profit motive went away? That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. These graduates then serve the Church. So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. My guess is he travels around and give speeches. I was really moved. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? 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